Also, as a blackboard or white board replacement, it is not messy; that is, you dont need chalk or ink. The International Liquid Crystal Conferences initiated by Glenn Brown were now being held in places like Berlin Germany and other foreign countries. I lived out in the country and didn't have many people to play with. It required polarizers. While I had two sisters, [eight and ten years older], I was pretty much like an only child in the sense that we lived so far out in the country that, to go to high school, my sisters had to live with a family in town. We didn't think we could ever make a raser. One type of liquid crystal cell the group worked on RCA was called dynamic scattering. There's very fundamental stuff going on in universities with DNA research, for example, but they're involved very practically, investigating the feasibility for all sorts of industrial interests. The guy at Hughes who headed all of this was Dave Margerum. I also met McGrath, and they invited me to visit Kent. And we've employed students in the summertime as interns. CRAWFORD: I know you said there were tensions between Fergason and Brown. Occasionally, when I'd see him in the Institute, he'd talk about displays, but I really didn't know how he got into it. CRAWFORD: Just thinking about this historical moment, and you mentioned the shootings, which of course happened May 4, 1970, part of this whole moment with the protest against the Vietnam War. Absolutely. Before, I was just working as a physics faculty member. Again, we lived out in the country, and I went to a small town for high school. With that, I got the institute into a program with the University of Southern California. No. You had talked about how part of moving into that space between physics and chemistry was to encourage interactions and stuff.DOANE: It was golden. Obviously, they weren't going to go to Japan because they wanted their own technologies. It was really nice. He said, "Well, I wonder if you'd like to work with me and help me. CRAWFORD: Was there a sense at that time in the late 60s and the 70s, was there a sense that academic science was a different world than industrial science?DOANE: Yes. Phil Bos knows what those students did when they went out there. [End Part 1][Start Part 2]MATTHEW CRAWFORD: My name is Matthew Crawford. We decided to focus on the use of displays in signs. At that particular point, I married my wife, Shirley, right after I graduated.CRAWFORD: This would've been 1950?DOANE: 1958. My colleague, Pino, who was named on the patent, wanted to publish all this stuff. Your people want to be part of the academic environment. you can use w.e you think the best tick look-a-like would be but i'd bank with something like a couple pieces of activated charcoa I thought liquid crystals were really a great thing to focus on. Town Center Mall Shops is located at 390 Ernest W Barrett Pkwy in the Town View Condos neighborhood, Kennesaw, GA, 30144. Anyway, that's how I got into nuclear magnetic resonance.CRAWFORD: Did you have a sense of the state of the field? [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Where did this expertise come from? One thing that hurt the company a lot in the early years, a company down in Texas started making cholesteric displays infringing on our technology. Then, founding Kent Displays. CRAWFORD: They've basically shut campus down. CRAWFORD: Were they asking for advice on technical problems? That event, right there, guided my life. For Sale 2937 Governors Court, Marietta, GA 30066. ]CRAWFORD: The departments have their own hiring plans and needs.DOANE: Departments have their own agenda and plans. Now, we can get back to Fergason before I became associate director. Universities transfer their research results to industry where products are developed and manufactured. The things people tend to look down upon or push aside usually contain the opportunities. 0. At that particular time, my research was focused on nuclear magnetic resonance of liquid crystals. I was standing there, and the professor happened to be in there, and he saw me. Also, of course, the University would get a royalty. To hear Martin Schadts side of it Im just giving you his side of it now they were working on this particular type of display cell at Hoffman-La Roche in Switzerland, and it was showing promise for a type of display. I think the people doing display work just wanted to make displays whatever way they could but liquid crystal displays seemed to be winning out. That was in '96. [Laugh] Shirley and I went back to Columbia, she got a job to help support us, and I had a teaching assistantship. With See more 27,359 people like this And because he was very interested in applications, I believe he was [more entrepreneurially oriented]. By that time, our CEO had left the company, and this person decided to join the company as our new CEO because he'd become interested in the cholesteric liquid crystal technology. And there were other experiments he had in mind where I thought it would be a really fun field to be in. I never did like the idea of the technology going to Asia when it was really developed here in the US and in Europe. We graduated a lot of students in the ALCOM center, not only from Kent State but Case Western Reserve and Akron. I walked down the hall, looking in doors, seeing what this physics department looked like. That was my interest. The institute strongly contributed to that in many different ways. Under federal law, housing and employment discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity is unlawful. Universities, by nature, like to be open and publish their research.] There were no doubt other faculty involved that I may have overlooked. Liquid Crystal Oral History: Doane, J. William (Transcript Only),. It was the rise of Hitler and that sort of stuff. It usually involves lectures and breakout sessions. Been here 5+ times. I had a friend at MIT who told me that was what they liked to do at MIT, get faculty, post-docs, and students to be entrepreneurs to spin off the technology. But he wound up going to General Motors. I did see its potential in applications and recognized that it should probably be patented. I was really impressed. I asked my advisor who these guys were, and he said, "They worked with Professor Purcell up at Harvard. The viewing angle was a big issue on displays. But you can also make it so that the temperature doesn't change the color. you lucky dog. Freshly painted, with hardwoods and tile throughout, this 3 bedroom 2 bath will not last long. In '65, when I was interviewing for the positions, there was already some work going on here and there around the country. In the US there were some other smaller groups working on displays and active matrix technology. It was focused on basic research, and it was a lot of money. I was able to convince the dean of arts and science to support a building that went between chemistry and physics. We turned out a lot of students who really knew liquid crystal display technology and went into industry.CRAWFORD: Phil Bos is a professor?DOANE: He's a physics professor working at the liquid crystal institute. And that really helped me because then, I had a unique display technology that we could propose to them to develop. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Is there anything else you want to say with regard to Kent Displays?DOANE: I don't think so. We made some [very nice full-color, high resolution, flexible color displays]. Here are all the details of Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin available below. I thought it was great. This is our second session, and we're doing this interview in his office at Kent Displays. I think this is really nice. However, there were a couple people on the board of trustees at Kent State University at that time who were very helpful. He was going to give a paper on liquid crystals as temperature sensors.CRAWFORD: This was the year you finished your PhD?DOANE: Yes, either '64 or '65. He didnt fit in well in the University environment.. John was marvelous at moving these materials forward. I couldn't come into my lab, and there was a short time we couldn't do things.CRAWFORD: But it didn't lead to a sense of, "Maybe we should downplay our support from the military"?DOANE: No. Around the early 80s and throughout the 80s, several of the defense agencies became very concerned about all this because they needed these flat-panel displays for fighter planes, tanks, and stuff like that. [Laugh] I've heard other scientists comment on this, that it seems like the younger you are, the more bold you are in trying new things. I don't think the company lost any personnel. To my knowledge, it was the first patent that Kent State ever had, at least following the Bayh-Dole Act. We are not looking for the development of marketable products. CRAWFORD: What did it look like when he was switching?DOANE: It would switch between a specific reflective color to no color at all; that is, become totally transparent. There's a lot of industry here. Call today 770-334-8916 ask for Tanya. It's caused governments and people in general to think about doing a better job in how we deal with these pathogens, viruses, and stuff. [Laugh] We put this together, and we got up to the point where NSF said they wanted to make a site visit. But contributing to the war effort had little to do with it. [End Part 2][Start Part 3]. But after two years, passing all these candidacy exams, all this coursework, I talked to Shirley, and we thought maybe it would be the thing to do. But that didn't work out. I think one of the biggest contributions ALCOM made was its students. Chemistry was really opposed to it because they saw these courses encroaching on their courses. I wanted to get him a position in physics. One, you can have meetings, exchange ideas and give lectures back and forth. Today is August 9th, 2021. In this case, the university licenses the patents generated by faculty and students back to them to start a company. And if you publish it, you can't further develop it in order to patent it. Beautiful Brick Front End Unit Townhome nestled in East Cobb Marietta with NO HOA's. CRAWFORD: In 2007, you received another award, the Slottow-Owaki Prize from the Society of Information Displays, and this is an award for your contribution to the education and training of students and professionals in the field of information display. Building up a local economy and, ultimately, after a time, providing things like endowments. I wanted to make a success out of KDI. Mine were in Missouri, and by that time, hers were in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I think people see me more in that light than in terms of making a big scientific contribution. I'll fund this company and Joel can be the financial officer." Its called that because it can be found in the cholesterol of living systems. It was really good for both chemistry and physics departments and their graduate programs because it funded graduate students and their dissertation research. An ad blocker has likely prevented this video content from . Good morning, Dr. Doane. We had all the patents on this, so I flew down to Texas to talk to this company and tell them, "Look, we have the patents on this, and we're going to protect them. It really got into the writing experience, as well as advancing it to fit this into digital technology, how to do it in color, things like that. Kent State wasn't widely known for anything at that time. It's good of Wil Franklin that he did this. Prices and availability are subject to change without notice. I couldn't run the company because I was directing the Institute. I told them I would do it if I could have a few positions with the promise that I would bring in some federal support for the program. [Laugh] DOANE: [Laugh] Well, this was typical Glenn, it turns out. Was that something you sought out?DOANE: At that time, I was looking at other things, actually. As a good rule of thumb, ideally you would have at least three times your monthly rent in combined household income. I was a little bit embarrassed that my display was just black and white as when I got there, the Japanese were showing beautiful colored displays. If I apply a voltage pulse, it does this and if I change the voltage of the pulse it does that." That turned out to be a really good thing to do. Having local universities around really helps industries and vice versa. That is, how these nuclear spins interact with the lattice of molecules in a solid material and exchange energy. [Laughs]CRAWFORD: She was teaching in Nebraska?DOANE: Yes. Natural selection has taken its toll and only the best establishments have survived this shift in demographics. They benefit each other mutually. And I think your work is absolutely essential in exploring how all of this happened and getting the history on it right. A BHHS Georgia Properties agent will be in touch with you to schedule a showing or provide you with building information. I think our annual expenditures were around $6 or $7 million. I was further able to convince them, because Kent Displays was very small and didn't have much of an R&D unit, to let us use their facilities, at a cost, of course, to develop the technology further. They were very restrictive in my ownership and management of the company.CRAWFORD: Did they explain why?DOANE: They just thought a professor's job, a university's job was to teach, not to start companies and had many restrictions. They focused on one type of liquid crystal display, LCD, referred to as a twist cell. After a few years that wound up being licensed in Japan [where it was further developed ultimately into the display technology we have in our TVs, computers, etc., today. Obviously, the science is important. For the guy who takes on the challenge of the unpopular aspects of science it is often the guy who finds the exciting breakthroughs. Edward Gelerinter was working on electron-spin resonance. My father, in order to afford to send them to high school and college, started a little filling station that developed into a country store. My Toy Chest. I kept mine, as did a few others, but faculty were finding it more difficult to get research funding, because [, in part,] the basic research was becoming [better] known. There was another candidate for one of Glenns positions, Professor Alfred Saupe who was on the faculty at Freiburg University in Germany. There was enough space between there that we could sandwich a small building and put together a number of research labs.CRAWFORD: I've heard about this building, and I can appreciate the practicality of being between physics and chemistry, but also the metaphorical meaning of it of liquid crystals as kind of a substance in the space between physics and chemistry. I thought it should be patented. Was this expertise something you learned as a graduate student?DOANE: Yeah, I'd say maybe as a graduate student. I hired John to help me with these dispersions, and he made great contributions. I even made a display out of them. The attitude in industry for commercializing the technology ultimately was just not there. [Laugh] I had to try to tie all of these programs together to show how they could blend together. This turned out to be a big problem, actually.CRAWFORD: Id be happy to hear. They sent displays to put on show. I took my display there, and they let me give a talk on it. Were there other types of interactions, people moving back and forth?DOANE: Oh, yes. Japan really took the bull by the horns and [, in the end, were the ones to successfully commercialize it.] If you're going to do this, you're going to have to go through one of the agencies like DARPA." I did it formally a few years back, maybe three or four years ago. Anyway, at that time, Glenn was working to form this conference, and he was also considering starting the Liquid Crystal Institute. I thought this was an opportunity for the physics department. Whether they saw that as an opportunity to get it from him, I'm not sure. What was going on with the Liquid Crystal Institute going into the 70s? CRAWFORD: Were there any demonstrations that stood out or led to anything significant?DOANE: Actually, there were quite a number. Industry on the other hand values applied research that they often prefer to keep secret. Looking back on it, I'm not sure why he hired Fergason in the first place. ]CRAWFORD: When you say licensing's not good business, you mean financially?DOANE: Personally, I didn't think it was a great business, [financially, for Kent State University but they did make some money at it. I wanted to learn Morse code, and I needed to make a little oscillator that would make tones and got a [telegraph] key, so I could [practice and] learn Morse code. CRAWFORD: I believe that paper came out in 1957. One thing I didnt like was, during the pandemic, when I walked up on campus, I felt like I was in a ghost town. Doane later helped create spin-off companies, such as Kent Displays, Inc. which was established in 1993. DOANE: Yes. I'm an Associate Professor and Historian of Science in the Department of History at Kent State University. I don't know how Fergason envisioned the Institute, but I do know that it wasn't like Glenn envisioned it. I thought maybe if I did, I'd have to take these candidacy exams over again, and I didn't want to do that. It was so secret, I never knew what it was, but we were given the contract to develop the display for it. So we adopted a child who was only eight days old. Do source of income protections exist for me at the state level in Georgia? After a while, NSF support began to fall off. Of course, we pay for it, but it's nice to have that facility available, and it's nice for them to make it available.CRAWFORD: Did Kent Displays then, and does it now, send its own people to use the facilities? 1 hour from Salina. Up until then, I was doing basic research, studying liquid crystals at a molecular level, learning how they ordered themselves, how they fluctuate, how various molecular atomic groups fluctuate, and so on. They had this program, but they needed a proposal in just a few weeks. I had an engineering group and a polymer group, and having organized this group, we put another proposal together. Industry is the opposite in the sense that they don't want other people to know the product they are developing. An oral history interview with J. William Doane, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Emeritus Director of the Liquid Crystal Institute (LCI) at Kent State University, and Co-Founder and Senior Advisor at Kent Displays, Inc., in Kent, Ohio. The reason was, Glenn wanted to have him under his control. Between the time I interviewed and when I came here, Glenn had already started putting together the Liquid Crystal Institute. Back then, I had a little problem with the State of Ohio. Or is it actually an exchange?DOANE: [It's more of a transfer than an exchange. We wouldnt have had such good displays on our cell phones if it wasnt for this Institute. 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