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A lot of human misery occurred on that day. Man, those would be difficult images to shake as a kid or as an adult, for that matter. Hey Monk is there a way to email you then? I offer my best wishes to all who shared this experience. They wrote about seeing a classmate bathed in smoking oil with his shredded jacket hanging off him. Is was crazy. Well she was right. He ran as fast as he could from the sound he said. Ill relay this web site to him. No images or content are primarily intended to shock and disgust. Im sure she would have loved to see you and the photo. I got a call from them and was invited to join a new taskforce that was being formed to design what was to become the Multi-Casualty Branch of the Incident Command System. I recognized her right away. I knew Evan well. I remember seeing the hole in the field. Thanks for commenting and for the attaboy. Thanks for your perspective on that day. When we caught sight of the aircraft it appeared that its decent was nearly vertical. I was in the third grade. Always liked Rusty. Fire, kids screaming, people from the neighborhood filling the school yard, emergency vehicles trying to get in. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Rebecca Grant Polish activist Justyna Wydrzyska is the first woman in Europe to be convicted of intent to aid an abortion. Terry Brown (916)364 0440). The post Dont Count Barbara Lee Out of the California Senate Race appeared first on The Nation. Back then, my dad moonlighted as a news broadcaster at KGIL and, I believe, one of the radio network affiliates. About 80 students stood in the schoolyard transfixed, watching the plane hurtle toward them. Thanks for commenting, Kevin, and I hope your mom finds the site interesting. My uncles story was one that has not been told and I think it added to your blog rather than detracting from it. I actually ended up on this page because i had a nightmare about me sitting in a plaine while it crashed in my school, and first when i google it i ended up on this page : http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=plane about dream symnols interpretation, and actually its no wonder it crashedinto school since i feel so streesed about my exams and getting accepted into a university. I believe Evan was in one of dads classes. If not, I have yours and Ill send it to you. Man, what a day! Thanks again for providing such a helpful service for those who need it and thank you especially for your sensitive and very specific comments to each person who has written his/her account. In 1993 I entered a bachelors degree program at March Air force Base (more jet noise). Mark Boone,David Jones and of course Ritchie Vallens (Richard Vallenswella) made our 9th grade year full of music..they would entertain us at lunch time.we were happy young people! One day near the end of my involvement with the family, she said something about body parts, children running and screaming, and airplane. The explosion just before impact must have been from fuel tank rupture coupled with engines still running (I assume). Everyone dove under their desks and covered their heads.I did not. He would pick up those black beetles crawling on the sidewalk on the way to Liggett elementary and torment kids along the way. We were both waiting for our Dads to have cataract surgery. The most vivid memory I have of that day was of my moms worry (her husband and daughter were at Pacoima JH that day). I was nine years old and a student at Terra Bella elementary school that day. Thanks again, Sheryl. I live in Ukiah, California now (see post above about me witnessing the crash while in the 2nd grade at Strathern Street Elementary School). I remember, like so many others that have written, the pieces of metal, bolts and whatever the pieces are of an exploded plane falling all around. My mother, Pauline Taylor, covered the story as a reporter for the Pacoima Post. He lived just a couple of streets over from where we lived. I was in the second grade at Strathern Street School in North Hollywood at the time of the crash. I just checked and your comment is there. is using a digitally restored copy of my crash audio for a large training exercise this year. I still cry when I try to tell people what happened that day. 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I think you lived near me we were on Obeck Ave, between Kagel Cyn. Dad used to tell me that he thought Valens(uela) was very talented and was always trying to get him to leave the band he performed with and go solo. Im picturing Mr. Snyder hurling you back inside the classroom man, what a day! Im now 63, born in 1952. At first, I was hesitant to post the recording because of its potential for reawakening the horror in people like your husband. I was in Mrs. Coughlins class. We used to visit him at the hospital while he was recovering and suffering through painful skin grafts. My sister, who was a friend of Evan Elsners, told me today that our parents, John and Eleanor Buchanan, attended Ronnies memorial service. Bronya Feldmann. I didnt know his son had been injured in the crash but I am glad to hear he is carrying on the family mission. Hi, my name is Shirley Kathryne Johnson Binkley.. Even though this crash was well documented, it just seemed to fade away and no one spoke about it, but in my mind it was big. Come to find out, with the exception of me, all were native Southern Californians. Background [ edit] So no, I have no lasting fears of flying. If there is anyone else, please call me. Wouldnt happen in this day and age. I sat in the rear of the room closest to the back door. I miss my father and wonder what life would be like had he not perished; I was only 9 years old at the time. My sister and I would love to find Evans sister Cindy, but were not sure what happened to her after they moved to Oxnard. Elementary School. Another living witness. The young lady was living with her mother who had significant mental health issues of her own. I do still live in the Valley, but far from good old Beachy. I took my turn. I was in the 6th grade at Beachy Ave. But every life is an interesting story that deserves to be told and remembered. One of the guys started pointing to the sky to the northwest and we saw the DC7 plummeting to earth. Russ: I just read David Clevengers note about the crash. Thanks for commenting, Stephanie. where my dad worked for Lockheed. Hey Brian So, it is not hard to understand why you cling to each other even though it was many years ago. Not to mention, the lifelong fear of flying that many witnesses have to this day. As a five-year-old kid, all I can recall of that day is seeing what appeared to be shiny bits of tin foil falling from the sky parts of the DC-7 that had broken off after its crippling mid-air collision. By the way, I have a feeling that this discussion will be going on until we are both shuffling down the streets of Leisure World, so your comment is by no means late.. \deftab720 Cant wait to visit from Michigan in a few weeks and I cant wait to show my kids my real home. [blog I dont think Ill ever get used to that word. Debris was also strewn across the grounds of Terra Bella Elementary School, adjacent to the junior high, and Pacoima Congregational Church, next door to the school. I remember hearing a loud screaming sound. A large part of the plane came through the roof of a little room just off the sanctuary (that I remember vividly). It was so long ago and still a vibrant memory. Many found it very disturbing, which was good because they then had to go to work just like in real life. Thanks for commenting, Anthony. Interestingly enough, my dad worked as a jet mechanic at the Air Force base where the Scorpian Jet flew out of. It was a long time ago. Its crazy how she just said we have one life to live right before it happened. We had a couple of ER Docs from Hoag Hospital at the scene. Kris. Since I first posted my note I was contacted by one person and we had a good talk. I knew one of the boys who was injured in the crash. This Incident Command System has spread from the west coast to the east. I also included a link to your website. Try again later. Also, why did your mom rush the two of you toward the disaster? A VERY SAD DAY AGAIN, WHEN WE LOST HIM MR. BUCHANAN WAS MY ENGLISH TEACHER AND A DARN GOOD ONE TOO.. First, thank you for the kind words about my dad. And of course was concerned as to the whereabouts of his family. I was in second grade, Ms. Uptagraph, Terra Bella Elementary. Where are the pictures of this event? I dont know if there were problems with the medical response, but I do know that valley residents demanded that test flights cease over the Valley and they did. If nothing else came from your efforts you should be satisfied that you helped out a survivor! HI Russ there were bits and pieces of the airplane everywhere, not big pieces, just millions of little pieces of airplane everywhere. I was 13 months old. It also included interviews with people who were witnesses and/or affected by the crash. Mike Russell, I posted my query a few years back, and Id like to post again in case there are new people following this thread now. I would like to talk with anyone who has memories of the crash because I dont. Im not sure if any of the commentors here are depicted in the clippings, but it should prove an interesting read. I was afraid that survivors who had been trying their whole lives to get passed that day would be plunged right back in it by hearing the sounds again. The interest and response to this story and recording have been widespread, with apparently no age or national boundaries. See more from the Los Angeles Times archives here. Mark. The fire bells started ringing and we were led outside. But he NEVER complains or asks why me?This recording is riveting. Pam, who had just finished Gym, was in the P.E. Our teacher ordered us under the tables thinking it was a nuclear attack. I remember seeing the tape 1/4-inch on 4-inch reel when I used to rifle through my dads tape collection as a nosy kid. Such a sad day for so many! Ah, the good old days. I returned to Beachy at the very end of my sixth grade (following a semester at Lowman School for the Handicapped). She was our babysitter back then and I was looking for her full name. I was at Montegue Elementary School right across from our house. Thanks for commenting. Even though I never met Evan, I grew up hearing about what happened. I was on the field when the DC7 came down. The remains of Carr, Twitchell and the other crew members -- radio operator Roy Nakazawa, 28, and flight engineer Waldo B. Adams, 42, both of Los Angeles -- were found in the fuselage, which smacked into the ground at Pacoima Congregational Church, adjacent to the school. . The noise of the crash was so much louder than It sounded in the recording, but my husband, who was in the graduating class at San Fernando Jr. High, and did not hear the plane crash, said, when he heard the recording, Wow.. It still looks pretty darned good. Against the sound of 800 frightened students and a distant fire bell, an unintelligible announcement is made on the P.A. They were very good and practiced all the time. Yes, many people were profoundly affected by this tragedy. Wow, haunting yet amazingthank you for sharing! I ran out of my classroom and saw the plane spiraling down and then the huge plume of smoke. It seemed as if hundreds of mothers and their little children gathered at the fence line, frantic and crying. Thank you so much for your comment. Also, you might be interested in the Then and Now site about the crash. The Pacoima crash was of particular significance to my family for a number of reasons. The most incredible image of all was the open window in the cockpit area with smoke coming out of it and what appeared to be the pilot with his head partially out. We thought we had been bombed (by the Russians)nearby. A few years ago Id posted on Russ Buchanans website trying to find someone else who was on the field that day who could tell me what happened, I couldnt remember. He seemed to like the attention and didnt appear bothered by it. How do you know youre having a horrible experience? Thanks for your recollection of that day. Pamela Carr Wolfson. I bailed out of the jeep, ran out of the hanger, and ran down the tarmac. At 11:18 a.m., one moved into a wide turn 25,000 feet above the San Fernando Valley. And now to again read the article and hear the recording how remarkably intact some memories can remain. He now lives in Boulder City, NV. John was their bass player. They were probably looking for info that was already in the rumor mill. Eight months after this crash, our family of four boarded a Northwest Orient Airlines DC-7 to fly to Japan where we moved to live for four years. I am rather dismayed to see that you have removed my post. She wanted to tell us about the crash before anyone else at the school. It seems like the majority of people who witnessed the crash and/or its aftermath developed the same fear. I guess we Pacoimans are just a musical bunch. I still hear the sound of the crash, and the moments after. Im always struck by how widespread the interest in Richie Valens continues to be so long after his death. Certainly less frightening, but just as capable of creating lasting, disturbing impressions the sight of two aircraft plummeting to their doom and the human cost implied, would be enough to sear into anyones brain. This time I remembered to crawl under the desk. I was tossed into the jeep and we got out of there. So he decided to record the speeches during this pre-graduation ceremony in front of the student body. Calvin Trillin The post Democracy in Tennessee appeared first on The Nation. As I looked out the window, almost instantly people came from nowhere. Sincerely, Susan Masters Kowalewski, Batavia, Illinois. When I first heard the audio, that phrase, We have one life to live, jumped out at me almost seemed like a premonition. Later that afternoon when my father came home, we drove to the seen. April 21 I went to my 50th San Fernando Class reunion. My name is Terry Brown. Probably both. Just a quick note, Russ. I was a 6th-grader at Haddon Avenue School that day. Another part of the story is that Russ and our mom had been at the Pacoima Congregational Church, just next door to PJH, earlier that morning. The heat from the 100 foot tall flames to my right were hotter than the oil I was laying in. The image of a hunk of metal slicing through an elementary school classroom is terrifying. This is a bone chilling audio of a memory deep in my mind. Im glad to hear the recording is working out for you, and for such a worthwhile cause. A year or so later I had Helen Snipper as teacher of a drama class at Pacoima Jr. High. I can only imagine how weird and disturbing it would be to have such a pivotal life experience erased from memory. 8th and 9th grades. It made an impact on me. I recall that some kids were having some twisted fun at Craig Bentleys expense, spreading rumors that he had been intimate with a tree. .I have watched many videos of ww2 bombers returning home after having suffered incredible damage to both wings and tail..yet they could still fly it . If you like history too, this is the channel for you.Subscribe for more forgotten history: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4sEmXUuWIFlxRIFBRV6VXQ?sub_confirmation=1.Awesome The History Guy merchandise is available at:https://teespring.com/stores/the-history-guyScript by THG#aviation #thehistoryguy #california I ran across another site that mentioned that there was an American Legion awards ceremony going on a the time of the crash. The fates were definitely with you and Pam. I wish that there was more footage, pictures, audio, and varies stories recalling the events that took place that day available on the internet. [1] [2] [3] Accident [ edit] Unforgettable. I suppose a teacher or student activated one after impact. I, like all of us that were there that day, will never forget it. Im so glad you were able to remember the coachs name Coach Vardanien. I was only seven years old when this crash happened, and it has stuck with me all of my life. Both jets and the DC-7B were performing their individual tests at an altitude of 25,000 feet (7,600m) in clear skies over the San Fernando Valley when, at about 11:18a.m., a high-speed, near-head-on midair collision occurred. My brother, Richard Bliven, was in the school yard when the plane crashed. In 1957, a plane collision crash killed seven people two pilots and two crew members, three children and injured about 75 other students at Pacoima Junior High School, now Pacoima Middle School, during a graduation ceremony where 800 children were in attendance, according to the New York Times and the Aviation Safety Network database. And, other than the pictures my parents had of me, Ive not seen one of me until I saw the one on the page of the Pacoima Post. Your account is the first Ive heard of the tape being played on the radio, though it makes perfect sense. I turned around to see all the debri in the air. There was a tree planted to honor each of the boys that were killed. In this age of snark and quick (but rarely quick-witted) online posts, your blog is a gem. Will never forget the impact. He had good social skills at an early age. The post Changes Everything appeared first on The Nation. In a Jan. 28, 2007, story staff writer Cecilia Rasmussen reported: On Jan. 31, 1957, a clear, crisp Thursday morning, twin Scorpion fighter jets from Northrops Palmdale facility engaged in routine scissors interceptions -- first one plane, then the other, served as a target to test radar equipment. We didnt know till we got hime what had happened. God Bless you all. Upon our arrival, she called the school to tell them that I had been found. I dont remember hearing the explosion but I ran over to the windows and remember seeing the black smoke and a lot of debris twirling in the air. I had no idea where he was and if he was ok. After what seemed like hours, we found each other. I saw the planes collide mid-air. My physiological reaction as I sit here now is unpleasant which I hope and pray is an emotional catharsis. I was friends with Pam and I remember Karen Bakken as well. We heard the noise going over us, in the direction of the Junior High. But please do not copy and paste any of the text to another site . Ive been having that kind of trouble lately someone even tried to post my audio at another site and it only reduces readership at these pages. (BTW, I believe the teacher tending to the kid, just a few moments later was Coach Vardanien). I assume you went to Pacoima after Terra Bella. If so, did you learn the identity of the teacher aiding the injured student? I was able to talk to her about it a couple more times. This was truly cathartic for me. Thanks. My brother, Marvin, who was also at Pacoima Jr. High that day, may be able to tell you something about one of the boys who was injured. I only had time to check out the Pacoima section of your site just now, but I find the premise of CemeteryGuide.com Stories Behind the Stones fascinating. On January 31, 1957, a Douglas DC-7B transport plane crashed into the school yard of Pacoima Junior High School, 9919 Laurel Canyon Boulevard, after colliding with a Northrop F-89J Scorpion jet trainer plane. I TOTALLY understand and COMPLETELY respect your thought process regarding posting this, however to me this audio represents a piece of history for those of us who live or have lived in the valley as well as those who are familiar with the Ritchie Valens story. Were you afraid of planes because of that event? Hey, Bob Thanks for your comment and attaboy, I appreciate it. I remember, Rustys dad ran for political office. I was hoping someone would tell me what they remember. What I saw Ill never forget. Terry Brown. I ran outside into the courtyard to see what happened. Is there an type of memorial to those who perished?y Bill Ritchie, From: Russ Buchanan To: billscessn99@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:23 AM Subject: [New comment] Pacoima Jr. High School Airplane Crash of 1957 (audio recording as it happened) #yiv7212670403 a:hover {color:red;}#yiv7212670403 a {text-decoration:none;color:#0088cc;}#yiv7212670403 a.yiv7212670403primaryactionlink:link, #yiv7212670403 a.yiv7212670403primaryactionlink:visited {background-color:#2585B2;color:#fff;}#yiv7212670403 a.yiv7212670403primaryactionlink:hover, #yiv7212670403 a.yiv7212670403primaryactionlink:active {background-color:#11729E;color:#fff;}#yiv7212670403 WordPress.com |, Russ Buchanan commented: Hi Jill Pam often checks in to read the latest comments here. The wailing sound of the plane coming down alerted us on the gym field and allowed many of us to take protective measures such as running away from the expected impact area. Look in your email I wrote you. The impact tossed me through the air and I landed in a hot smoking oil slick. It sounds like he was at the same place on the field as I was. This site has confirmed my memories of the crash. I was a seventh grader who had gym that period. RB, Russ, thanks for sharing. One of the most interesting and enlightening comments yet. Fascinating and, considering the effect her unresolved feelings might have had on her daughter, very sad. .Am here after listening to Dearly Departed Episode #21 (time mark 01:41:48) where this incident is discussedThe recording is incredible. After talking to the school, she told me that school would be closed for a few days until they could clean off the fence. The teacher yelled for everyone to huddle together in the middle of the classroom. Of course we didnt know what all had taken place until after we got home from school as communication in those days was nothing like today. If I ever brought it up or talked about it, people in Northern California didnt know anything about it and thought I was being overly dramatic, so I just didnt talk about it. Thank you for adding your vivid account to the discussion. I just checked it on my iPad and it played fine. Then again, I was only five so everything probably sounded unusual. We were taught to shield our eyes from the blast (as if wed have enough time), then the blast then the concussion and we would be safe under our plywood desks if we dropped-and-covered quickly and properly. and when my mom heard about the crash.. and how close it was she left work and came home..she had a lot of neighborhood friends whos kids were there. I was chatting with a man I met in the waiting room at Holy Cross Surgery Center today. As I recall, scholarship awards from such organizations as the American Legion, Rotary Club, Lions, etc. He was in the 7th grade, but not on the gym field. Moment later a student barged into the room to tell of the crash and the pilot para hooting. I remember being in the car with my panicked Mom on the way to the school. I heard the screaming sound of the DC-7 coming in and caught a glimpse of things falling from the sky followed by a floor shaking explosion and flash of light. Thanks again for posting as I commented once before. I guess the fact that they were kids when it happened made it stick in ways that will probably never be fully understood. I have never been there, this will be a first for me. Its been a while since I was in the LA school system. I was trying to imagine seeing what you saw at the tender age of a fourth grader. What a relief! Someone ran into me and I fell down, Wallace Roger, 13, told a Times reporter. I remember watching the news that evening, and one of the Mothers of one of the boys killed was crying and said I didnt even kiss him goodbye this morning This interview was on TV. just let me know. Your comment is the first wide-angle account written here. We often walked home together from Pacoima Junior High. In fact, Paul and my father were colleagues during the 50s when dad taught at Pacoima. In January 1957, a Douglas DC-7B collided with a U.S. Air Force F-89 jet over the San Fernando Valley. To be honest even after sheeding tears i still cant stop whenever i think about these kids. Thank God for that. Oh my God this is something horrible, and i cannot even imageine the horror people who experienced the plane crash went through. Her name was Joyce. I remember her telling me that her mom was hanging clothes on the line to dry when all happened and part if one of the planes landed at her feet and didnt hurt anything. As I wrote above, he almost never spoke of the disaster. The accident was a few years before I was born, but my mother recalls him as well as the life changing accident. 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