FInally, since when was DeWitt Clinton "docile"??? If you want to talk about family members alone, Ive lost five. Often it was handled one on? Nowadays, everybodys got a gun or a knife. There were like 20 of us. A Retired member described the Duckies, a gang featured in the Movie "The Wanderer": "The Ducky Gang (not just boys) lol. Five leather jacket clad Astoria gangs almost mix it up with I was first in a gang when I lived in East Harlem. Life magazine ran a big story on us. It was on 42nd between Eighth and Ninth in the back of a parking lot. It was a crazy neighborhood. He was from the Marcy Projects and he would always come down with a gun. If somebody says, Oh, let me see your colors, turn around, its not something you do. We called ourselves the Capris if you can believe it. There would be a fight set up, and we told you to be there at seven oclock. They had some young girls on like Oprah or something who said that. When you left your house you had to worry about somebody grabbing you and kicking your ass. Wasnt too much of a fight. We had everything sold by sunrise. Corona Queens - Best Italian Ice in New york City. His laugh reflex got fucked-up. banerjee@fordham.edu. If you remember the scene where they tied a rope to the penises of two guys on a bridge and threw a cinder block over the side down to the a river, that was the Bronx River near French Charlie's baseball field. One time, something had happened so I went looking for this guy to get him. Now, everybody else has a bike. I knew so many people that everybody would open their doors for me. Rumors often swept Bronx high schools in the 1950s and 1960s that "the Baldies were coming" to confront the student body, at the generally docile Bronx High School of Science and the more macho, all-male DeWitt Clinton High School. lol" Another former gang member from the Garrisons had this to say about the Duckies: "If you were planning to visit the Botanical Gardens in the Bronx you needed to concern yourself with the "Duck(ie)s." Legend has it, if you are visiting the Bronx Botanical Gardens and blast out a 'Duckie Whistle', Duckies will show up to greet you till this day! After a while, I realized that theynot just them, other clubs toowere being paid by the landlords to burn the buildings for the insurance. I was with him for 24 years, so I was a real part of it. If we had a problem between us, wed all go meet over at City Hall and wear different color bandanas so people knew where you were from. The Spanish guys were different. We were the two stupid guys that got caught. By signing up, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy & to receive electronic communications from Vice Media Group, which may include marketing promotions, advertisements and sponsored content. In fact, you dont turn around for anybody either. Two friends of mine once had to fight at Coney Island because thats where the argument happened. Search . Second, I want to expand the introduction. One guys father was a hunter, and he went on vacation. formed. Our gang was the wiseguys, you know what I mean? Their gang was the Comanchero Chaplains. You lived in one building, and the buildings to your left and right were abandoned, because they were gutted out by fires. We buried each others brothers too much. What was so funny was that a lot of the people were intermingled, family-wise. Baseball Baseball: Facebook Baseball: Twitter Baseball: Instagram Baseball: Schedule Baseball: Roster Baseball: News Basketball Basketball: Facebook Basketball: Twitter Basketball: Instagram Basketball: Schedule Basketball: Roster Basketball: News Cross Country Cross Country: Facebook Cross Country: Twitter Cross . For more information on the Baldies, please visit James Hannons website, Lantern-Media where he shares some of his research on the Fordham Baldies as well as another period gang called the Duckys. In the case I am talking about here, there are no school rumours about a Baldie invasion. The Fordham Baldies were one of the gangs featured in the movie "The Wanderer". Problem-wise, you know, we had a few here and there. Their turf was around Jefferson Park, 116th Avenue and Pleasant Ave. We had a gang that started in high school. They had high collars, buttoned down, and on the back you had RR. But we didnt really go out of our way too much with the sweaters and the costumes. You could see how things escalated. My mentality wasnt, I have to join that gang. It was, I like the guy, the guy likes me. Before you knew it, I married the president of the gang. But when wed fight the Spanish guys, theyd stand there. I was already scared by being in jail. Robbing and stealing wasnt a big thing. It was easier to sell. I mean, we liked to have a good old-fashioned fight and beat the hell outta each other, but we never had no intentions of, Lets go down there and kill a few of em. We all lived in the same neighborhoodthat was another reason why we werent out to kill each other. Everybody fights to kill. We were all hanging out together already, the Unknowns and the South 9s. It was the stomping grounds of both the real-life Fordham Baldies gang, immortalized by Richard Price in The Wanderers, as well as where then-presidential candidate John F. Kennedy addressed a. By the way, there were always fights yet it was all handled with reverence, one on one. His mind was OK, but hed be talking and hed start laughing cause he couldnt help it. In fact, we protected people. They punctured his lung and he almost died. One of the Red Wings yelled out, Are you the Fordham Baldies? At hearing this, Bernard, Angelo and Ernest approached the vehicle, standing about seven feet from the curb. When I did get arrested, my little brothermay he rest in peacehe was involved. Then another five would do another dance routine, and it became like a fucking dance-off. Sometimes after I got done kicking her ass, one of my girlfriends would come and, you know, kick her ass some more. This was found to be a nice touch in the Wanderers movie, but in reality, the Fordham Baldies were named for the Bald Eagle and had the Duck's Ass or "D.A." hairstyle later made famous by Fonzie from Happy Days. It feels bad. As mentioned above, they were a powerful gang and continued to make their presence known up to at least 1959, which by that time had killed two more times. I am currently researching these two killings one in 1958 and the other in 1959 and hope to write about them in more detail in the future. My brother Alex started wearing patches when he was hanging out with this other club, the Dirty Ones. I didnt take no shit from nobody. I think Frankie got the best of him, and they got back in the cars, and Frankie chased him. The 2 external links that I supplied give a lot more detail and documentation, and I suggest that the next editor of this piece start there. Later on we had a clubhouse where wed hang out all the time. I didnt do that. The force would cause the rubber band to shoot a .22 bullet. So our style of dress and everything was like them. Then you tie the hammer up with rubber bands, pull it back, and let it go. If anyone stepped in, (stepped out of turn) he was accounted for verbally and brutally. Click here to learn more about Ernests life as well as pictures of Ernie before he was killed. The problem with the Bronx in 1978 was there were real gangs. I would say, three out of every five shootouts, somebody would get hit. I wound up doing like 13 years and change in jail. The year given is the year of the film's release or first season of the series. We were always there. That was the big thing. Wed look down on them and theyd look up at us. Inside, sipping a soda, was Ernest Montuoro. Like one time, I saw it was clear through so I just patched it up, and forgot about it. They were a big crewwhite gang, mostly Italian. We didnt shake nobody down or hurt nobody. We were just crooks, you know what I mean? Baldies wounded.Fordham Baldies/Italian Red Wings Gang War. We went to the same school and we were all young. I mean, I know I never did it. They had me in the bullpen with him when the witnesses came. I personally didnt believe in jumping people. After that I knew it was nothing serious, so I never bothered to go to the hospital. It was just a lucky shot and it went right through this guys arm. Then, you know, the blacks started coming in and naturally there was tension and we banded together. (2) Police busted up a rumble between two (South) Bronx gangs. But he tires of being a Baldie, and the nail in the coffin, is when all the good members in a drunken stupor, sign up for the US Navy. I removed the references to Brooklyn gangs in popular culture - does not make any sense to have them there - this article is not about Brooklyn. From the east side, are Any girl that wasnt a virgin, if you went out with her you couldnt let her get away, because there werent many around. What do you think?--rocketrye12 talk/contribs 04:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply], Sorry, didn't see this discussion - I changed the name to Bronx gangs (1950s-1960s) because that is specifically what is being discussed. I buried three of my brothers because of being in gangs and being involved in drugs and living in the ghetto. It worked the same way for us when we were in their neighborhood. Theyd hang around. Interestingly, this second nephew of Ernests that emailed me works just a few miles from where Ernest was shot and killed. Walk all the way back to where we live, just to get high, then hustle again to get lunch. I remember the older guys coming around and passing the word that if any white kid in the neighborhood stole an old ladys pocketbook, they would have their hands and legs broken. It didnt begin as a crime thing. We went down one night, had a fight with them, and Ill never forget it: We chased them all the way down Evergreen Avenue, and all of a sudden about 60 or 70 of them came out of a house. The official 2023 Women's Volleyball Roster for the Fordham University Rams In that neighborhood, if you werent in a gang, you just went to school and you were fine, but if you were in a gang your chances of survival were 50/50. Some people were robbing other gangs for their drugs. He couldnt show up to collect his rent. Mary Hamilton (l. 14). This was way before anybody was selling drugs. Hell no. Everything was about turf. From the Jewish girls mostly, not from Catholic girlsnot when I was a kid. We gotta watch our back. Youd bring a girl with you so she could hold the gun. Looking to gather allies to their fight as the Del-Bombers have bigger numbers, The Wanderers get rejected (humiliatingly) by the Fordham Baldies and by the Chinese Wongs. You know what beer muscles are, right? A lot of times, people would come back all beat up and bruised. Sometimes. We had no real guns, just the ones that we made, which were a joke. It made his brain all fucked-up. on/associate of the Baldies was killed--shot to the head, and two I was 13 or 14 when I started. Wed hang out in the park at night. You wanna have a game of football? or sometimes wed say, F youse, were gonna come down and kick your asses. When we were drinking, wed scream down at them, Hey, you fuckin black bastards! Wed say something racial, you know? In football, the Rams play in the Patriot League of NCAA Division 1 Football Championship Subdivision. When he died, my brother Carlos took over. The ending was tragic and if one were keeping score on such a grim topic, the Red Wings came out on top. They had another Italian neighborhood, down on Cherry Street and Madison that was just the same as ours. We started saying, Why dont we make patches? And finally we did. I also belonged to a gang from Mount Vernon, a somewhat more serious group. I lived in abandoned buildings with them. We burned fires in the tunnels in the winter to stay warm, and we went swimming in the Bronx river when it was hot. We had a clubhouse. Im 46 now and Im still with this thing. Puerto Ricans were moving into East Harlem at greater rates as the 1950s progressed. In Williamsburg, where we were, it was the Majestics, the Dukes, the Unknown Bikers, South 9 Bikers, Spanish Kings, Devil Rebels, Dirty Ones, and a bunch more. The Duckies got their name because the original guys hung out at the Duck pond in the Bronx Botanical Gardens and shot at the ducks with slingshots, therefore, they eventually called themselves "Duckies". The area between Pleasant and 1st, and blocks between1st and 2nd were predominately Italian. Girls drank free. Terror, cross-eyed, 150 pounds, six foot four is the war machine of the Fordham Baldies. This was from a roof maybe four stories up. During this time, both began to listen to rock and roll and go to dances on Friday Night. You have every type of person in every club. But it made a big noise and a flash of light. It was a handful of us that really made most of the noise. One of my friends who I wanted to get high with said, You wanna get high, you gotta watch this. And he shot up and he said, Im doing this so you can see what I do, and I said, I dont want nothing to do with that. And I never did it. one fistfights and it would be over. Why you crying? You know whyyou shot my brother. It was crazy. For everybodyespecially our people but even for strangers, what we called Merigans, like Ameriganswe had respect for all of them. That means turn your jacket around or take it off. I've watched the movie The Wanderers each time it's been on, and still get a kick out of how the Ducky gang was supposed to be represented. The resulting group took their name from the Bronx's Belmont Avenue. At the end they looked like gladiators. We rumbled with their guys, and that started a war between the clubs. Ballistics work being done on Piggys Candy Store. bayonets, brass knuckles, and garrison belts before officers swoop One gang, the Fordham Baldies were reputed to shave the heads, and other body parts, of those they caught. Fourth, sources.I will be doing some more research and adding much more information. I remember cars coming by and shooting at the guys, then we would jump in the car and go after them. You have your murderers, your rapists, your thieves. The battle lines between opposing armies had already We didnt mess with the people from the neighborhood. The Woodside Chiefs, of whom I was a member were not a gang. Even the cops told my mother one time they knew I didnt have nothing to do with it. I'll always have the memories of those times. So wed take the apartment over. Having an Active Minds Chapter in your school can be an important step in changing the conversation about mental health. It started as a dance club, and as things happened in the clubarguments and fightsit became a gang. When I moved to the Bronx, I saw guys with long hair, cut sleeves, kneepads, and motorcycle boots. of the day,' black leather jackets dungarees and boots. Not in my memory! We ran up there, disassembled a few chimneys, and took some bricks and some bottles. But as things started to change and people started with the drugs, making money off of it, a lot of violence erupted. This was not the end of the Red Wings gang, however. In fact, all three people who were involved in the murder ended up dying within three years of it. The rest of them are scattered to the wind. Or cite a source, of course. I mean, I could have been arrested for date rape a million times. You won. She used to be a dispatcher for a car service. Then you were on file. Unlike the idiotic movie the wanderers, however, they didn't have any blacks in the gang, they went around to other neighborhoods to see if they could find some to beat up. Gone is the cluttered window offerings of the candy store. Each of us bought our own uniforms and equipment and we all chipped in for our bus fees for away games. And I tell you, that was a fuckin fight. That was a typical night. Join Facebook to connect with Fordham Baldies and others you may know. It was because of who you were. Also, we used to have a lot of gay guys come around and theyd get us a couple pills, some marijuana, and bullets for our zip guns. We were trying to hide, actually, because the NYPD Youth Squad was always down here, asking us questions like who was who, and who was our leader. Many of us had guns, although I never knew of any used in a fight. To Manhattan, then back across the bridge, and once we got to Brooklyn they would just split off to their side and wed keep driving to our side, like it was nothing. hairstyle later made famous by Fonzie from Happy Days. If two women came into a bar, they never paid for a drink and nobody even went over to talk to them. But still, they found the same guy who got stabbed before. They ran books, they stole, they shylocked money They ran the neighborhood, whatever they did. A loosely organized street gang with fewer than 60 members and a name inspired by a cartoon has taken on near-mythical status among high school students in New York City, the police and school. A Mother of one of the Lucky Lords was arrested with a gun. The father ended up getting most of them back after people started getting arrested with them, because he came home and reported them stolen. Meanwhile, a local gang, the Fordham Baldies, menacing blacks and Hispanics in Roosevelt's vicinity, kept enrollment overwhelmingly white. We had colorsblue sweaters. The official athletics website for the Fordham University Rams Teenage Gangs Kill One, Injure Six: one shot and killed, one stabbed, and four beaten in a gang fight At that point, all everybody wanted to do was sell drugs. It was a sanctuary, this rectangle here. Im 50 now, and I havent been back. Mostly it was breaking into factories in Brooklyn. The fordam baldies aka belmont baldies aka baldie mob shaved their heads as far back as the 1940's and hung out at a candy store on belmont between 189th and fordham. Robert Beer, Ph.D. (JMH 634) This time it was a Red Wings invasion. Because then you cant be in your own neighborhood carrying a pistol. A car can sit on the street two or three days today. Wed break into cars, stuff like that. It really wasnt a good way to come up, but thats just the way the neighborhood was. 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Indeed, I started this at someone else's suggestion, with the understanding that s/he would pick up from there. Our "uniform" was teal bowling shirts with black velvet vertical stripes. By todays standards, there would have been a lot more lawsuits. But there were girls where I had to kick their ass. And then he died. I carried a .25, then later a 9 mm. Their turf was around Jefferson Park, 116th Avenue and Pleasant Ave. When the pill came, everything changed. But I stole. Actually, I wish I could go back a couple years. After a while, if he called the police, then we would be angry at him. So the guys said, If you dont do it, were gonna strip you. And thats where the war began. Some Red Wings attended near-by Benjamin Franklin High School. When I last saw them, they were street fighters, members of the Fordham Baldies, a gang that made our Little Italy neighborhood unsafe for outsiders. Me and a couple friends of mine went to a hooker. What used to happen was, wed hang out at someones apartment, but then theyd move out. At our peak, we were only about 100 strong, but the Dirty Ones had chapters in Bay Ridge and the Bronx. There was nothing you could do about it. It wasnt about, This is where were hanging out, anymore. Youd be saying, I dont give a shit who you are, calling the club out. To this day, we still hang out, and wed do anything for each other. I left my mothers house when I was 14. So wed form a line, walk right down and stop. We were never really into robbing people. I never did, but I know there were guys in the gang that did. We got your neighborhood. And wed turn around and say, Yeah, yeah, you got so much. There was always some guy who got beat up and they took the sweater and we had to go find out who took it and get it back. Every time he came by the block there was a shootout, so everybody was always aware when he was passing by. Even some of the names used are real. Everybody wants to make a name for themselves, a reputation. The Micheal Farmer killing was an incident that happened during the showing of West But back then, if you had a girlfriend, if you were getting laid, you were the king of the mountain. It could more than double in size at that point. They were like, "Who's the. We were fighting with everybody. Underneath the hill, there were the train tracks. Once again, I wanted to go out with someone who was in that gang. We had a gang that started in high school. It wasnt too hard to see the handwriting on the wall. The apartments were filled with rats and roaches, we had no heat or hot water half the time, pipes were falling down, ceilings were leaking. However, in this case below, the violence was actually with another white gang called the Fordham Baldies. Not embarrassed to say I was a member and yes, they were very real. The Fordham Rams are members of NCAA Division I and compete in the Atlantic 10 Conference for most sports. I proposed some sections, but there is still lots of work to be done. We were able to do that, whereas the newcomers werent. Bellagio99 20:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]. The Majestics started in the early 70s. So thats how it happened. The bond between people who were in gangs was amazing. had zip-guns. That was the year when it started getting real serious. Colors are more respected than your whole family. The memories are all roughly the same, or close to it. And I think using full years instead of century description is better. Because of this gang fights between the two groups became the norm. That was when the neighborhood was mostly German, Irish, and Italian. We spent a night one time stripping a whole car completely down to the chassis. I also had to fight some of the guys in the club. It was like one big family. The gangs -- with names such as the Ducky Boys, Del Bombers and Fordham Baldies (who really are bald) -- are racially segregated. Dukes, as they were waiting for the "Chaplins" (Chaplains) to arrive. FYI, this list is from The College Finder, 2017 edition now available! All these people laying down on cots and shit, with these pipes, and one guy tending them. The '50s and '60's were a time when loyalty actually meant esteem, consequence, and prestige. Then, in a way that only the Internet can make happen, I received an email from another nephew of Ernests who was actually able to find Ernests unborn son at the time (when Ernest was killed he was married with a boy and his wife was 7 months pregnant with another son on the way). We sold it right on the street. We were so fuckin' broke, we had six jackets and maybe 30 guys. I mean, these girls could fight. They were like, Oh, its not bad. Its much harsher than coke. Then he became the President of the Majestics. The Wanderers (1979) - The Fordham Baldies MOV Clips 31.8K subscribers Subscribe 178 25K views 2 years ago American comedy-drama film written and directed by Philip Kaufman and starring Ken Wahl,. It took a lot of people out. This is how I remember it because I was raised in El Barrio and in Washington Heights from the early 50s and 60s. So from being 30 guys with six jackets, we became a thousand just by hooking up with them. On a warm Saturday night, wed all be up on the hill. But it isnt like we were setting out to take over the building. So there wasnt one particular reason. Fordham Baldies is on Facebook. (3) Police busted up a potential rumble and arrested some Gowanus Eventually, if you hung out in that neighborhood you tried pills or pot, or whatever other crap came into town. We had a lot of guys in the gangsometimes we had 40, sometimes we had 60, sometimes we had 100. At about 4:55 p.m. after asking around where the Baldies hung out, the Red Wings rolled up on Piggys Candy store, double parking in front. So I ran down the block, and theres a restaurant there, still exists to this day, and I went into the restaurant because I knew the owner. 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Now all girls think giving a blowjob is nothing. We never had problems against each other, because we grew up in the same neighborhood. When they started with the knives, we started with the zip guns. It was a bunch of detectives whose primary job was to try and keep tabs on the gangs and see what was going on. Now they were even stronger, hardened by. About a month later, when he got out of the hospital, they invaded us again. When they got back to East Harlem, they dropped off Hall, Bella and DePetris, but picked up two new Red Wings, Frank Ciappetta and Vincent Gugliemelli. We had the apartment on the first floor and even the old guys from the neighborhood would come in and play cards and dominoes. Richard Price lived in Parkside Projects and hung out with a different crowd then us. Mario was Ernests brother but passed away a couple of days prior to his son emailing me in March 2012. Mostly we drank wine. 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